Richard Taite: Sobriety and Luxury Treatment Centers

John M
Okay, let me just tell you on the front end of this episode, if you are looking for a classic kind of Alcoholics Anonymous story, with, with, with both this and his following episode, which I’m going to do part two next week. Well, we’re coloring a little outside of the lines. What we definitely talk about AA and recovery, but it’s not a kind of a typical what I was like, What happened and what I’m like now interview that said, if you want one of those, we have plenty of other episodes to listen to, but here’s what it comes down to.

I met Richard, and I was keenly interested in him as an individual, so I moved ahead with this interview. Richard is one of a kind, as he phrases it. I am not for public consumption, and I don’t know why, but I absolutely love that phrase. Part one of my interview with Richard, he discusses his relationship with his mother, his father and his two brothers, what it’s like to be in a victim position, and how that can be changed. How he was attending AA, and it quote clicked, and the same exact thing happened to him in therapy. And I’m sure a lot of you can relate to that, when all of a sudden it just clicks, his postpartum depression after his daughter was born, not not as not as not the mother of his children, but his postpartum depression Richard’s relationship with God and How special that is to him. I enjoyed that. And per the title of this episode, Richard discusses what it is like, to quote, feel the pull of a god. Feel the pull internally with a God of understanding that intuitive thought, whatever you want to call it. And Oh, how I can relate to that. And we talk about much more. And like I said, once again, keep in mind, this is part one of Richard’s interview. We will have part two of his interview next week, and I will have plenty, oh, listener feedback at the end of this episode. Enjoy. Richard. Okay, everybody. So today we are sitting here with a gentleman named Richard, and I’m gonna let him introduce himself in a second. But I’ve really, really been looking to the forward to this interview on several different levels, but I am going to let him introduce himself. So Richard, I’m gonna have you introduce yourself, give your sobriety date, if you wish to do such, and then tell people where you live in this great land of ours place.

Richard Taite
Well, my name is Richard Tate. I’m an alcoholic. My sobriety date is 3/3/03, and if you want to tell your sobriety date, then you don’t have one. So I live in Santa Monica presently, and that’s it. That’s that’s everything.

John M
And so I’m going to go ahead and tell on myself here. So Richard started this interview about 10 minutes ago, and I went up to look at something because I wanted to time stamp it. Long story, what I’m doing here, but I noticed that there was no record. There was no timer that was going, and I had to stop and say, Richard, I am so effing sorry. And he was very much, just very, very kind about it. He didn’t say, like, Oh, I wish I had a professional podcaster working with me or something. But thank you so much, Richard, for restarting all right.

Richard Taite
I have empathy for that, because I’ve got six podcasts. We’re going to be releasing a podcast soon, and I’ve got six podcasts in the hopper. And my first one was horrible. My second one was slightly better, and by the time I got to my fifth and sixth ones, I was proficient. And, you know, reps, man, over and over and over and over. And that’s how you get good at stuff, you know, yeah, and you got to make some mistakes to to figure it out. So fortunately, was it may, may that be the biggest mistake you ever make. And we’re all doing great, yeah, that’s that. I mean, you, you donkey it all off. 10 minutes of gold, but

John M
donkey dog of audio gold. What? So one thing that you did mention in the first time I want to go back to because I love how you said it your your sobriety date is 3303, you said it was almost like you made an appointment. Yeah,

Richard Taite
it sounds, you know, when somebody has a sobriety date, right? You know? And it’s like that. My first one was actually on Valentine’s Day, believe it or not, okay, in 98 Okay, 99 but my second sobriety date, my real sobriety date, when I stopped folding, and I finally got it up until this point where it’s been continuous, is 3303, and so it sounds like you’ve made an appointment to get sober, and nothing could be further from the truth, because it’s just a happy accident. One. I love God more than anything, and he was gracious, because I’ve had a concussion, and if it wasn’t 3303, I would have sat there and had to think about it, and so. But I had 30 I had it took me three years to get 30 days. I mean, it really did. I was a real tough case, and I’m slow. I get it. I get it really slowly. And you know what AA is, a language. Remember when you were back in a new as a newcomer, right? You walk into AA, they’re talking. You don’t understand anything, right? Okay, the only part that you keep coming back for is the community, because we’re communal beings. Somebody walked up to you and loved you while you were feeling shame, right? And that felt nice. And we’re funny. We’re funny from the podium. All of us, even the people who are the least funny, people on the face of the earth, are funny. And so you go for the fun because you you didn’t have any fun. You might have, you might have had two decades of hell, and now you walk in, and this is a good time. So, yeah, you’re coming back. And then said, keep coming back. And you’re like, you don’t know anything, so you’re like, Okay, I’ll keep coming back.

John M
Something else I want to talk to you about, is that so I know so we have had, over the past several months, I guess, so many email communications and texts and interactions on the phone and such. And it is very apparent to me that you are a guy that tells it like it is. There’s no sugar coating yet, and it’s actually refreshing. And I mean that in a very good way. It’s refreshing. And so have you always been that way since you were born? Yeah,

Richard Taite
I was born this way out of the chute. I usually tell people that I peaked at 12. I Wow, I’m sorry I forgot the question, are you going to be able to edit this thing? Or no,

John M
I can. But I kind of say I can edit it right now.

Richard Taite
You know what I mean, you know what’s funny is I literally have a concussion. Okay? So there are times where, I mean, you might as well think I’m President Biden. Okay, like, like, I’m like, it’s incredible. Okay, I have to have somebody sit in my office. Okay? Just to remind me, what the hell I said. I’m not kidding. Okay, that’s actually a position at my place.

John M
Is that Krista, for the most part. Are there other people?

Richard Taite
Krista is so wonderful. Krista is my everything. She’s been with me well over a decade, and she’s so attuned to what you know, my actual needs are, so that I don’t struggle. It’s like the biggest blessing. Her soul is so impeccable, and she does this with the with the heart of a servant, right? Like how I like to practice when I’m talking to an alcoholic one on one, and you just, you’re empathetic and you’re soft, and it’s face to face, and it’s just one alcoholic to another, right? And that’s my thing, and she’s taken that in being of service to me so that I can really help as many people as I can, and I love her more than anything in the world. For that,

John M
she was great helping me get set up for this too, and she just had a really, really sweet spirit. But the question was, have you always been kind of a little bit in your face, so to speak. Maybe that’s not the way to describe it, but, you know, blunt,

Richard Taite
listen, I’m completely unscarred by education. Okay? I have a saying. I think that about 10% of the country is intelligent run. The world, right at the very top, the geniuses. And then you go down that 10% and then you get get to really smart, various levels of intelligence. And then from the last 90% you have various levels of idiocy, right? I’m like the king of the idiots, okay, and, and I take very difficult concepts and synthesize them down for the masses. And people think that’s like a wow. That is amazing. And it isn’t amazing because that’s the way I need to hear it. That’s the way I need to learn it. And then I speak to my people, and that’s the way I do it. So that’s my story, and I’m sticking to it.

John M
You go. So I want to kind of set this up by I know we’re going to talk about some of your your business and stuff, which I’m very interested in. And you know how you’ve come anyway, just your kind of rise from the bottom to the top, so to speak, right? And but I want to give people kind of sort of a a background and a foundation for you. And so why don’t you tell me a little bit about your your your upbringing. I know it wasn’t a stellar upbringing, if you will. Now, why don’t you talk to me about that and tell me more about how you were brought out? Well,

Richard Taite
I desperately loved my father, desperately I would sit in his office for eight hours just to watch him work. And I would do that pretty much all summer, okay, or three days a week during the summer, and the other four days I was out playing and doing sports, right? But every Sunday morning, we’d sit down in his off in his bathroom, he’d be, you know, quaffing, and he’d be shaving. So I learned how to shave by watching my father. You know, I learned, you know, everything from my father, everything that I know today, I learned from my father. Now, obviously, I took the best of it and I tried to leave the rest. But as we all know, that doesn’t that’s not the way it works in modeling, right? And so, but we got, we got beaten, you know, me and my two other brothers, we just got beaten. And I don’t mean like, with the belt and stuff. I mean my, my brothers got it usually with the belt, but we got it with fists, right? We got, I got it with the buckle of a belt. And his favorite was this big black cane, right, with this brass handle. And I got the brass handle, you know. And you know, much like somebody who’s been captured, right, I didn’t want to leave my captor right, because, you know, when you’re young and right? You’re little, and your parents are big, right? And they’re supposed they hatch you. They’re supposed to love you, they’re supposed to shelter you, they’re supposed to feed you, they’re supposed to protect you, right? And you’re too young to actually say, my parents are idiots. They’re morons, okay? Because that’s too scary for a five year old, right? So instead, you internalize it. You say, I’m bad, because if they don’t love me, then I’m bad, right? And then every time you’re I’ll give you something to cry about, right? All that stuff, right? And every time you get hit again, it just reinforces that you’re bad. So what happens is, you go through this process in life, okay, thinking you’re bad, and then, you know, you start medicating, right? And you no longer have it. It’s got you. And the only way you fix that is to realize that there are no bad five year olds. I had a five year old. He’s incapable of being bad. Okay, so it’s not my fault. I’m the blame the parent guy. Okay, you get either. You know, in family therapy. When we have family therapy, okay, we don’t turn anybody against their parents. What we do is we make their parents accountable and make a repair so that their children can get going in life, you break it, you fix it, and if you can’t do it, then you’re just an asshole and you’re selfish, okay? And you’re a shitty father and you’re a shitty parent and you’re narcissistic, okay, but if they can make that change and turn around and turn that around and make that repair with their child, now we’re talking right now. You can take some you can take. Lemons and turn it into lemonade, and you can actually have a good relationship. Okay, it’s not enough to just say they did the best they could with the tools they have. Okay, that’s some bullshit somebody said, and then another idiot parroted it, and you know, it’s just not true. Okay, that’s lame.

John M
Where were your mother and your brothers in all this talk about their role and how this affected them and your relationship with them?

Richard Taite
Well my mother was just horrid. Okay, she didn’t do a lot of the beatings, although she did, you know, occasionally just start working you over physically, and then you just hope she didn’t break a nail, because she broke a nail. You were done, but most of the damage she did was, you know, my dad’s working all day, killing himself and family, and he comes home exhausted, right? And then she just work him over for a half hour on how bad the kids were, so she knew we were getting beaten. She caused it okay, he just couldn’t take it anymore. And my brothers, my little one, very rarely got got beaten, because he was always crying all the time, right? And, you know, being the little one, he just, you know, we, we were the ones to get it, but nobody got it worse than my middle brother, who is mentally ill, and I, he’s no longer with us, and I loved that kid. And you know, he’d get beaten, and sometimes I’d have the courage to say no, that no dad, that was me, right, but not every time. And I had to live with that shame forever, like I still live with it. And I know it’s not reasonable, because I was a kid, I was that was little, right? But you know, I’m the kind of person that if I had 1% to do with something and it went wrong, that’s one of my gifts, right? That’s one of the things I’m most proud of. I’m accountable. It’s my fault, and one of the reasons, and and I picked this up with therapy, was you’re in a victim position if they did it to you, right? But you’re in a power position if you’re responsible and you did it and you can change it. And so thank God. That’s how I’m built. I apologize all day long. I make a repair all day long. And I’m not married to anything. I say I can get pulled up at any time, and I’m open about it, and I’m like, You know what? You’re right? And I just don’t hear that anymore.

John M
I’ve heard you before talk about going through therapy, and there was a time where you were unable to get it, so to speak. And there was a woman who was your therapist, and you got to a certain point, like a year and a half or so into therapy, and you kind of had a turning point with that therapy, like all of a sudden, things just kind of clicked for you. Can you describe what happened during that time and what it meant to you when it finally clicked? Sure?

Richard Taite
Well, I was floundering, right? I was really sick, and the healthiest part of me, and I don’t remember how it happened, but the healthiest part of me knew at that point that I needed help, and so I asked a friend for a recommendation, and he gave me this woman by the name of Margie fedding, and she’s no longer with us, but God bless her soul. And you know, I started going to her every Friday at one o’clock, I think it was, and I showed up all the time. And at 11 months, she says to me, sweetheart, are you getting this? And I said, No, I’m not. And she says, Well, I don’t understand. You’ve been here for 11 months, you show up every week on time, without fail. Why? And I said, Because I’m slow, but I’ll get it eventually. I promise I always do. It’s just I’m slow. And, you know, the same thing happened in AA, you know you walk into AA, remember? Everybody remembers when they were a newcomer, and it’s important for us to remember if we’re ever going to help anybody else, so that we know okay, we access that, and we know how we felt and what it was like when we got sober first time we went to an AA. Meeting in the first, you know, half year that we went to an AA meeting. And, you know, a is a language, so you I’d walk into aa I didn’t understand a word. They said nothing, right? And I came back for the community. We’re communal people, and they’re funny. I mean, even the most unfunny guy will go up to the podium and say a couple things that are just hysterical, right? And, you know, that’s what I love about AA, but I didn’t understand what they were talking about for like, again, about a year, and then it clicks, everybody, everybody’s had an experience like that. Okay, I’m just slow, but I get it, and I had the experience of getting it in AA, and I just applied that to the therapy, right? So I knew I was going to get it. I knew I was slow. It was no big deal. And then after 15 months, I just gave her a hug, and I said, Thank you for your service. And she says, What do you mean? And I said, Well, I understand now I get it. I understand I’m going to find a man to take me the rest of the way, because I need to know how to be a man. And she said, she gave me a hug, and she said, outstanding. Proud of you, and you know we’ve remained friends, and you know every couple years we talk, and she’s no longer with us, but she was just a godsend for me.

Richard Taite
I still have him. Gotcha still have him. I’ve got a guy by the name of John Kenyon who’s got a client list that Ari Emmanuel would just lose his mind to have. Okay, and it just, I didn’t know it okay, but that’s the way it worked out. And I’ve spent, I don’t know what, 1516, years with him, I don’t remember, but he’s, I mean, he’s the best in the world, and he, he’s really helped me be a good father. He’s, you know, I was already sober. I mean, this sobriety has been easy, okay, it’s been effortless. And I’ve only had five effortless sobrieties In my life, but because we’re alcoholics, right? We only remember those five, not the 300 other times you folded, right? So finally, it hit me on the fifth one, that because I’m slow, it hit me on the fifth one. Wait a minute, this one’s effortless. This is a gift. Don’t screw up. So I’ve never screwed up, and this one’s been effortless, and it’s just a gift.

John M
And what does that term you use for yourself? I remember you. I’ve usually did once before with me and you said, I’m not

Richard Taite
for Yeah, I’m not for public I’m not for public consumption. And you know, you either love me or you hate me, and I couldn’t give a shit either way. Okay, but I am completely unscarred by education. Okay? I don’t think I know. I know I know, right? I’ve been doing this a while, okay? I’ve given, I’ve helped, to give about 10,000 people back their families, right? It’s like, I think I know what’s happening here, and and I do it with the heart of a servant. I sound arrogant, and I just don’t know how to do it another way. But, and humility is, is not you know my forte, but I will tell you when I’m speaking to another alcoholic. Okay, there’s nothing more important to me. I wouldn’t look at my phone. I wouldn’t not make a connection. I wouldn’t be I wouldn’t not be completely present. And they are the only thing in the world that I care about in that moment. And I learned that from my sponsor. I’m one of the few people actually around today that have actually been on 12 step calls with their sponsor,

John M
right? Because nowadays you have a tendency just to let them fall into the meetings or something like that, or rehab centers, but you mean, okay, so I want to talk, and I think this is like a good foundation, if you will. I for some of these other subjects we’re going to talk about, when you think about what drives Richard, right? We’ve already talked a little bit about some of that. But when, when you think about, and you think to yourself, what drives me? What gets me up in the morning, both personally and from a business perspective, and I don’t know if those are the same things or not, but what drives you, Richard,

Richard Taite
well, I believe that you cannot get sober unless you replace what you. Hold most valuable, which is your drugs and alcohol with something more important, more important to you. Okay, that’s been my experience. That’s been my experience in watching it. That’s what we try to do. Okay, at Carrera, we try to identify what’s important to them, and then we accentuate it, and we show them that, you know you’re not here because of this. You’re not here because you’ve been trying to kill yourself with drugs and alcohol. Now, they think that they have to use drugs and alcohol because they don’t have the tools in their tool belt, right? They think they need it to survive. That’s that’s the alcoholic thinking, okay, but we’re killing ourselves, right? And they don’t get it. Now, what was most valuable for me? Okay? When? When? When a guy walks into a a he only wants to get sober for two reasons. I don’t know how to say. You’re gonna have to

John M
see we don’t have to edit. I think I know where you’re going, but you know, otherwise

Richard Taite
they’re lying. They care about money and pussy, and that’s it. Okay, that’s it. If they say anything else, they’re full of shit, okay, you walk in lonely. Okay, you need your mommy so you’re not present for you’re not a fully realized man who’s going to contribute to a relationship. You need your mommy. Okay, so you take hostages, and you’re, you’re, if you’re like me, your ass broke. I mean, I so poor, I couldn’t even pay attention. So, you know that’s what you need, right? So anyway, I go ahead and I meet this fabulous girl. I stopped going to AA when I wanted to stop, when I wanted to stop, sleeping with women in AA. And there was a reason for it. I was getting well, these women that I liked. Okay, we’re not getting well. And water seeks its own level. That’s just the way the world works. Okay? So I’m getting well. I’m in therapy. I’m doing really well. I’m in AA, I’m sober for a long time now, of three four years. Yeah, about that, three four years. And I meet this woman, and because I’m well, I meet somebody really special, and she’s well, and I have a daughter with her, and that, to me, was everything.

John M
So where were you at that time? Four?

Richard Taite
Okay, okay, but here’s the thing, okay, when I had my daughter, I was the one that went through the postpartum, not my wife. I was the one. And let me tell you what it was about. I’m going to tell on myself right now, and people are going to go, oh, wow, okay, I always had, even though I owned a treatment center, I always had this little goal in my mind that I was going to get loaded again, that I was going to smoke crack again with a room full of hookers, like I always did an ounce of cocaine a day, every day, no matter what. Okay, and

Richard Taite
I went into such a depression after I had my child, because, you know, smoking crack with a daughter, not really, not really acceptable, not not who I am, right? I had a really low bottom, but that’s where I draw the line. I was already four years sober, and, you know, and so I went into a depression. It was a longing, because every drug addict like me has a goal, and that is to die loaded and never have to get sober again, right, to have enough money to go out the right way, right? If you’re like me, that’s your goal, right? And now I didn’t have that anymore, right? And I went into a mourning period that she’s for six months, that she still doesn’t forgive me to this day. And my daughter’s 14.

John M
How did she know you were in a I mean, she was, was she, I mean, she wasn’t, was she aware of it?

Richard Taite
Oh, my God, she’s so much smarter than me. It’s stupid. Okay? She’s sober longer than me. When I met her, she had, she had eight girls every her sponsees, eight of them every Monday night to the house, going over the steps and right? I mean, she was just amazing. My bad.

John M
I thought you meant your daughter had not forgiven you, but you’re talking about your the mother of your daughter, right? Yeah, yeah, my daughter.

Richard Taite
This is just, this is just an embarrassment to my daughter. That’s all this is. But hopefully she won’t ever dive in. I’ve got my head in the sand. So,

John M
huh? Okay, so I want to talk about also your relationship with God, right? Spirituality, just kind of your, your general overview there in you know, you know what drives you from your in terms of your connection with God as well, and how it has developed over the years?

Richard Taite
That’s a great question. I have such a connection to God. First of all, I hate religion, okay, just hate it. And you know what? God hates it too. Okay? I mean, these people are gonna go up to heaven. He’s like, You did what? My name, you idiot, right? And so, but I love God. I don’t know where I got it. My parents didn’t bring it up to me. I just felt it at a very early age, and I’ve been praying to God since I can remember, and even when I was loaded, I knew it was wrong. I knew it was a disappointment to him. So my prayers would be, God, please help me stay safe and please let me enjoy this run, and when it’s over, I promise we’ll start again. Okay, thank you. I love you, amen, and I was always safe. Nothing bad ever really happened. And when you’re smoking an ounce of cocaine every single day, no matter what, and you’re up for six to eight days on average, okay, eating a Big Mac once a week just to keep yourself alive, right? I mean, teeth were all cracked. My I was 147 pounds, of dripping wet. I’m almost six feet tall. I’m a buck 90 you know, I was emaciated, and I got through it, and now, because of that experience, everything in my life is heart centered. If I feel the pull, I go that way, I do things that other people think are so stupid, it’s insane. I’ll give you an example. We’ve got people in the center, right? And I go ahead and I put I’ve got, like, I’ve always got a couple scholarships, full scholarships at all times, right? And we’re full, we’re almost full and but we’ve got a couple empty beds. So some woman has a thing, and I talked to her for a little bit, and I’m like, Listen, you just she didn’t have anything. I said, You come to me. I’ll take care of it. So I put her in my affordable center, right? And I get it, and then I’m sorry, we had like five empty dads, so I put her in right all of a sudden, we go on a run, and now we’ve got a wait list. And my people call me and they say, Hey, dude, if you’re going to keep taking these free people, okay, every time you do that, we go on a run, okay? And then we’re full again with a wait list, you got to stop doing it. And I’m like, I’m sorry. Will you repeat that? And they said, every time you let somebody in for free, we go on a run and then we can’t I said, that’s enough. Say it again. I said, Why the fuck would I ever stop letting people in if that’s the result and they just they don’t get it. It doesn’t make sense to people who don’t have a connection to God. But that’s not my problem. I get to live the way I live, because that’s the way I do it, and it makes me comfortable.

John M
And I’ve heard you use that term before, feel the pull, and I’ve been through that in my life too, so, and you just gave an example of there, of feeling the pool. But what? What does that I don’t know. I want you to talk about that phrase a little bit more. Feel the pool. What does that mean to you? Do you have other examples from your live. Just talk to me about that.

Richard Taite
Well, I’ll give you, I’ll give you the most recent one. I mean, the most big recent one. It happens every day, right to a certain degree. Excuse me. So I had to buy a home for tax reasons. I don’t really understand it because, like I said, I’m unscarred by education, but I had to buy it and, and, and, and I just, I’m like, Dude, I don’t want, I don’t want another home. I just, I want less shit, not more shit. Please just leave me the hell alone. They’re like, Okay, well, you’re gonna pay this much in taxes. And I’m like, Okay, I want the home. Okay, so. So I buy this home. Now you have to understand that every home I’ve ever purchased in my life, I have found online. I have locked it up. I went to see it within the first because, you know, you lock it up for 17 days, right? And then you go ahead and you know, when I got a chance I’d go see the house, right? I’ve never in my life spent more than three or four minutes in a house that I bought. Never okay this time, because I don’t want a home so bad. I get my buddy Stuart, and I get I leave him with the problem. I said, Baby, you know this way better than I do, please. Here’s 20 homes. Pick the house if you don’t like it on this list, pick the house. Buy whatever you want, right? So he comes back couple couple hours later and he says, This is the house. And I said, I hate this house. Find another house. And he says, No, that’s it. He goes, I know what I’m doing. That’s the house you’re never going to get hurt in. So I lock it up, I go see it, and the agents are following my agent, the other agents are following me around. And for whatever reason, because I’ve had treatment centers, right? I had a treatment center for 15 years. I count rooms. When I walk in, I count rooms and how many beds I can fill, and then I look for an office and a Med Room and a therapy room. It just, it’s just the way my mind works, right? So I, I walk into this house, and I’m walking in, I count the beds, bedrooms. There’s six bedrooms. You’re only allowed six people in a house. Every bedroom has an en suite bathroom and its own temperature control. Then I go downstairs and I see enough space for everything that a treatment center wants, plus there is a world class spa in the place, three pools, two jacuzzis, all this, you know, I mean, 10,000 square feet, okay? And these guys are talking behind me, and I’m like, Jesus Christ, this is a rehab and, and I’m, I’ve got my not. I’m still within my non compete from selling cliffside, right? I founded a place called cliffside Malibu, and I’m still in, you know, they don’t want to, they give you a bunch of money. They don’t want your you competing with them, right? So I’m still in that period, but it’s ending, right? And these guys are talking, and I’m like, thinking, right? And I just looked at them, and I said, get out. And they’re like, I said, get out. And I sat in that house for three hours, and I’m on the steps looking at the bottom floor, and I start crying, and I look up and I said, I told you I didn’t want to do this anymore. And I’m just hysterical. And the feeling I got was, sorry, son, God needs his soldiers. And then I get what I always get when I know I have to do something, I feel like a warm blanket over me. And you know, man, you go, you do what you’re told. We all have the same boss, whether you believe it or not, okay? And I felt the pull so it didn’t matter what I wanted to do. Now, it turns out that I’m having the best time of my life. And okay, God, you were right. I was wrong. Okay, it’s the best time. No, I didn’t realize how much I missed it because I had no purpose. I mean, I did a bunch of things that were really cool and helped a bunch of people to the best of my ability, but not like this. I mean, this is a whole new thing, right? And so this time around, it’s the best time I’ve ever had. It just is. I mean, it’s the most rewarding. It’s the best. I missed my I missed my people. I missed my friends. Took 30 people from Cliffside. They all came right honor of my life to do a startup, leaving a 21 year fully realized business to come be here. I mean, talk about humility. Okay, that made me that was the most humbling experience of my life. So, yeah, I missed it, and I miss helping people, and I miss talking to parents, and I miss giving them back their children, because I’m a father. Absolutely this is, this is a great time. Okay, thanks for having me.

John M
All right, so here’s what I always do. I always read page 164 from the big book to wrap those up, and I’m going to do that right now. Abandon yourself to God as you understand God, admit your faults, to him and to your fellows, clear away the wreckage of your past, give freely of what you find, and join us. We shall be with you in the fellowship of the spirit, and you will surely meet some of us like me and Richard, as you trudge the road of happy destiny, may God bless you and keep you until then. Once again, Richard, thanks for joining me today. Pleasure was all mine one more time.